Kia ora koutou, Is there a way to suppress/hide the trailing slash (/) following the title displaying in the OPAC? It arrives with the MARC record but looks 'wrong' when displayed. Clint.
Hi Ruatuki, Take a look of this title *Science 101 : ecology /* Science 101 is the main title after that is ecology with ( / ). So you are asking to hide the ( / ) right? It does not look wrong, it's the standard punctuation mark we use for cataloging. Hope I am not mistaken with your query. Kind regards, -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Slash-following-title-tp5849365p5849383.ht... Sent from the Koha-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
So you are asking to hide the ( / ) right? It does not look wrong, it's the standard punctuation mark we use for cataloging.
It may be standard, and it may be correct as far as cataloging is concerned, but that doesn't mean it necessarily looks right to the general public using the catalog. I wonder if it could be trimmed in the XSLT stylesheet? -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org
<http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/file/n5849391/Simple_Search.png> <http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/file/n5849391/Details.png> Please check the SS I inserted. When I search science the result omitted he ( / ) and when I click into the details the ( / ) appeared. I believe Owen is right it can be trimmed by the example that I gave. Kind regards, -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Slash-following-title-tp5849365p5849391.ht... Sent from the Koha-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On 12/08/2015 14.19, Owen Leonard wrote:
It may be standard, and it may be correct as far as cataloging is concerned, but that doesn't mean it necessarily looks right to the general public using the catalog.
As happens so often, when you take something out of its "native habitat" it can look strange. In the older (obsolete?) ISBD display the slash and other punctuation are OK. E.g. Transports : travel, pleasure, and imaginative geography, 1600-1830 / edited by Chloe Chard and Helen Langdon. - viii, 341 pages : illustrations ; 26 cm. I never met anyone who was bothered by the punctuation or even noticed any of it. But, when you "change the environment" you see: Transports : travel, pleasure, and imaginative geography, 1600-1830 / by Chard, Chloe; Langdon, Helen. the hanging slash is a punch in the face, although probably nobody would really care about the : (colon) between the title-subtitle. But if the display was: Transports : travel, pleasure, and imaginative geography, 1600-1830 / by Chard, Chloe; Langdon, Helen. people would notice the hanging : and think that was weird too. The Belgian painter Rene Magritte was really good at taking normal, everyday things and putting them in strange situations, so that they become weird. http://www.mattesonart.com/Data/Sites/1/magritte/Hegel's%20Holiday.jpg or http://www.renemagritte.org/images/paintings/personal-values.jpg The punctuation is similar. When not in an ISBD display, it should probably be removed. James Weinheimer weinheimer.jim.l@gmail.com First Thus http://blog.jweinheimer.net First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ Cataloging Matters Podcasts http://blog.jweinheimer.net/cataloging-matters-podcasts [delay +30 days]
Jerwyn, Owen and James, Thank you for your valuable input. I now have a path to explore and learn- XSLT stylesheets. When I first came across the / and saw it in the OPAC I assumed it was an error with my migration. However it was in the original records and that lead me to explore its history and usage. The / might assist readability in a card catalogue but in the OPAC I suspect it hinders, simply because it is 'jarring'. Cognitive dissonance and such... Recently a librarian asked that it be removed. Interestingly, one service provider includes the / and another does not. Thanks again, Clint. James Weinheimer wrote:
On 12/08/2015 14.19, Owen Leonard wrote:
It may be standard, and it may be correct as far as cataloging is concerned, but that doesn't mean it necessarily looks right to the general public using the catalog.
As happens so often, when you take something out of its "native habitat" it can look strange. In the older (obsolete?) ISBD display the slash and other punctuation are OK. E.g.
Transports : travel, pleasure, and imaginative geography, 1600-1830 / edited by Chloe Chard and Helen Langdon. - viii, 341 pages : illustrations ; 26 cm.
I never met anyone who was bothered by the punctuation or even noticed any of it.
But, when you "change the environment" you see:
Transports : travel, pleasure, and imaginative geography, 1600-1830 / by Chard, Chloe; Langdon, Helen.
the hanging slash is a punch in the face, although probably nobody would really care about the : (colon) between the title-subtitle. But if the display was:
Transports : travel, pleasure, and imaginative geography, 1600-1830 / by Chard, Chloe; Langdon, Helen.
people would notice the hanging : and think that was weird too.
The Belgian painter Rene Magritte was really good at taking normal, everyday things and putting them in strange situations, so that they become weird. http://www.mattesonart.com/Data/Sites/1/magritte/Hegel's%20Holiday.jpg or http://www.renemagritte.org/images/paintings/personal-values.jpg
The punctuation is similar. When not in an ISBD display, it should probably be removed.
James Weinheimer weinheimer.jim.l@gmail.com First Thus http://blog.jweinheimer.net First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ Cataloging Matters Podcasts http://blog.jweinheimer.net/cataloging-matters-podcasts [delay +30 days] _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
At 09:54 AM 8/13/2015 +1200, clint.deckard wrote: [snip]
When I first came across the / and saw it in the OPAC I assumed it was an error with my migration. However it was in the original records and that lead me to explore its history and usage. The / might assist readability in a card catalogue but in the OPAC I suspect it hinders, simply because it is 'jarring'. Cognitive dissonance and such...
The slash is used (from what I'm told by qualified librarians) to separate the "title...subtitle...sometimes other odds and ends" from statements of "authorship, holding of copyright, illustrator, prefaces, introductions, etc" As such, it represents textually the visual layout of the title page. It is used increasingly[1] by LoC, BL, CaONL and many other national authorities. If your users suffer from "cognitive dissonance and such" and find it "jarring", it's probably trivial for you to modify your OPAC layout. However, Koha *should* in its default format continue to follow what is done by the world's leading national authorities. Just my two cents... [1] older records might not have the slash, just a comma. Updated records by national libraries use the slash in line with new records. Best -- Paul
Recently a librarian asked that it be removed.
Interestingly, one service provider includes the / and another does not.
Thanks again, Clint.
James Weinheimer wrote:
It may be standard, and it may be correct as far as cataloging is concerned, but that doesn't mean it necessarily looks right to the general public using the catalog. As happens so often, when you take something out of its "native habitat" it can look strange. In the older (obsolete?) ISBD display the slash and other punctuation are OK. E.g. Transports : travel, pleasure, and imaginative geography, 1600-1830 / edited by Chloe Chard and Helen Langdon. - viii, 341 pages : illustrations ; 26 cm. I never met anyone who was bothered by the punctuation or even noticed any of it. But, when you "change the environment" you see: Transports : travel, pleasure, and imaginative geography, 1600-1830 / by Chard, Chloe; Langdon, Helen.
On 12/08/2015 14.19, Owen Leonard wrote: the hanging slash is a punch in the face, although probably nobody would really care about the : (colon) between the title-subtitle. But if the display was: Transports : travel, pleasure, and imaginative geography, 1600-1830 / by Chard, Chloe; Langdon, Helen. people would notice the hanging : and think that was weird too. The Belgian painter Rene Magritte was really good at taking normal, everyday things and putting them in strange situations, so that they become weird. http://www.mattesonart.com/Data/Sites/1/magritte/Hegel's%20Holiday.jpg or http://www.renemagritte.org/images/paintings/personal-values.jpg The punctuation is similar. When not in an ISBD display, it should probably be removed. James Weinheimer weinheimer.jim.l@gmail.com First Thus http://blog.jweinheimer.net First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ Cataloging Matters Podcasts http://blog.jweinheimer.net/cataloging-matters-podcasts [delay +30 days] _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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