PTFS Support for the Koha Community
Dear members of the Koha user community. Please note that the press release posted to the Koha.org site on January 29th was inappropriate and deceptive. Here are the facts: PTFS submitted an application to be included on the Koha support list Web page on 11/03/2008 and we fully complied with the policies posted at that time. The rules to allow a company to be listed on that page were subsequently changed after our application was submitted and we received a rejection email on 11/06/2008. PTFS sent another email on 1/15/09 indicating that we were now ready to resubmit our application and asking for clarification on the latest policies. We are now able to comply with the revised rules that now include client contracts, references and a working Koha installation. We fully intend to resubmit our application. Note that PTFS is well equipped to support this marketplace and we are just beginning to gear up to do so. We currently employ over twenty librarians on staff who implement, configure, train and support software management solutions for libraries. We also have a software development group well suited to support Koha development. I have been advised that there are community concerns over code submission. While we have not yet completed a Koha development project, we fully intend to provide the source code to our customers for submission to the community. PTFS, Inc. is a company that has been in the information industry since 1995. We have been installing and supporting commercial ILS systems for over a dozen years and are now focusing our expertise to provide high quality support and development to the Open Source ILS community. We also think we can add significant value to the library community by integrating our ArchivalWare content management system with the Koha Open Source ILS. See press release from SLA, June of last year http://www.ptfs.com/company/press_releases_current.aspx <http://www.ptfs.com/company/press_releases_current.aspx> . I do not typically post notes to lists but felt I needed to respond to this issue personally. In addition, I do not think this list is the forum for this type of conversation. If you want more information on PTFS or this issue we would be happy to talk to you directly by phone or email. John Yokley CEO Please contact Patrick Jones pjones@ptfs.com <mailto:pjones@ptfs.com> 301-654-8088x127 John Yokley P | T | F | S Content Management and Library Solutions 6400 Goldsboro Road Suite 200 Bethesda, MD 20817 (301) 654-8088, ext. #111 FAX: 301-654-5789 Cell: 240-447-8970 jyokley@ptfs.com www.ptfs.com
Mrs. Yokley, Whether or not you have reason to argue in your defense the point is that Koha comunity is thankfull to all that devellop, suport, translate and do all the best to proceed and serve Koha project. Any discussions like the one you are begining just make everybody to spend time and efforts. We need people to cooperate and help others that are adopting open source software for libraries. Feel free to cooperate but not to obliterate. Rafael Antonio Citando "Yokley, John" <JYokley@ptfs.com>:
Dear members of the Koha user community. Please note that the press release posted to the Koha.org site on January 29th was inappropriate and deceptive. Here are the facts: PTFS submitted an application to be included on the Koha support list Web page on 11/03/2008 and we fully complied with the policies posted at that time. The rules to allow a company to be listed on that page were subsequently changed after our application was submitted and we received a rejection email on 11/06/2008. PTFS sent another email on 1/15/09 indicating that we were now ready to resubmit our application and asking for clarification on the latest policies. We are now able to comply with the revised rules that now include client contracts, references and a working Koha installation. We fully intend to resubmit our application.
Note that PTFS is well equipped to support this marketplace and we are just beginning to gear up to do so. We currently employ over twenty librarians on staff who implement, configure, train and support software management solutions for libraries. We also have a software development group well suited to support Koha development. I have been advised that there are community concerns over code submission. While we have not yet completed a Koha development project, we fully intend to provide the source code to our customers for submission to the community.
PTFS, INC. is a company that has been in the information industry since 1995. We have been installing and supporting commercial ILS systems for over a dozen years and are now focusing our expertise to provide high quality support and development to the Open Source ILS community. We also think we can add significant value to the library community by integrating our ArchivalWare content management system with the Koha Open Source ILS. See press release from SLA, June of last year http://www.ptfs.com/company/press_releases_current.aspx.
I do not typically post notes to lists but felt I needed to respond to this issue personally. In addition, I do not think this list is the forum for this type of conversation. If you want more information on PTFS or this issue we would be happy to talk to you directly by phone or email.
John Yokley
CEO
Please contact Patrick Jones
pjones@ptfs.com[1]
301-654-8088x127
John Yokley P | T | F | S Content Management and Library Solutions 6400 Goldsboro Road Suite 200 Bethesda, MD 20817 (301) 654-8088, ext. #111 FAX: 301-654-5789 Cell: 240-447-8970 jyokley@ptfs.com[2] www.ptfs.com[3]
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Yokley, John a écrit :
** We also have a software development group well suited to support Koha development. I have been advised that there are community concerns over code submission. While we have not yet completed a Koha development project, we fully intend to provide the source code to our customers for submission to the community.
Hello John, did I miunderstand : you plan to provide the source code to your customers and they will have to take care of submitting it to the community ? If it's your choice, then you'll be GPL compliant, as the GPL just requires that (ie: provide the source code & give permission to redistribute) If it's what you plan to do, your customers will go to a dead-end, as their specific code won't be in official Koha (I can't think even a second a librarian will submit git patches ! Maybe US librarians are different from French librarians, but not that much !!!). Thus, for future release, they'll have to do the job again -or have to pay you[1] to do it- Not very interesting for the users ! At BibLibre, it's something we have done only once in 6 years, and the library that wanted that regrets his decision (as the move from 2.2 to 3.0 will be very expensive, and probably delayed to 2010 !) Also note that, due to Koha technical architecture, you can't deploy Koha without providing the source code (thanks Perl language) ! [1] you or someone else. But frankly, this will be a technical pain for the company doing it if it was not the company doing the 1st version. -- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
John Yokley asked me to post this for him; he doesn't regularly monitor this list but I do. I'll pass on any comments or questions to John or to others here when needed. Thanks. *********** Paul - Yes you did misunderstand our intensions. We will contribute the source code we develop to the community and if the proper protocol is to do that for our customers directly then that is what we will do. Based on your note it seems that this process requires significant expertise and would be onerous to our customer. We would gladly perform this task for them *********** Jane Wagner Library Systems Analyst PTFS Inc. Content Management and Library Solutions 6400 Goldsboro Road, Suite 200 Bethesda, MD 20817 (301) 654-8088 x 151 jwagner@ptfs.com -----Original Message----- From: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of paul POULAIN Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:38 AM Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] PTFS Support for the Koha Community Yokley, John a écrit :
** We also have a software development group well suited to support Koha development. I have been advised that there are community concerns over code submission. While we have not yet completed a Koha development project, we fully intend to provide the source code to our customers for submission to the community.
Hello John, did I miunderstand : you plan to provide the source code to your customers and they will have to take care of submitting it to the community ? If it's your choice, then you'll be GPL compliant, as the GPL just requires that (ie: provide the source code & give permission to redistribute) If it's what you plan to do, your customers will go to a dead-end, as their specific code won't be in official Koha (I can't think even a second a librarian will submit git patches ! Maybe US librarians are different from French librarians, but not that much !!!). Thus, for future release, they'll have to do the job again -or have to pay you[1] to do it- Not very interesting for the users ! At BibLibre, it's something we have done only once in 6 years, and the library that wanted that regrets his decision (as the move from 2.2 to 3.0 will be very expensive, and probably delayed to 2010 !) Also note that, due to Koha technical architecture, you can't deploy Koha without providing the source code (thanks Perl language) ! [1] you or someone else. But frankly, this will be a technical pain for the company doing it if it was not the company doing the 1st version. -- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08 _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
We will contribute the source code we develop to the community and if the proper protocol is to do that for our customers directly then that is what we will do. Based on your note it seems that this process requires significant expertise and would be onerous to our customer. We would gladly perform this task for them
No librarian is going to be able or willing to do the work of a developer and get involved in submitting patches to version control. It only makes sense for the developer responsible for those changes to perform that task. If you have any questions about how that process works feel free to ask (maybe on the devel list). -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org
On 2009/02/4, at 9:46 AM, Wagner, Jane wrote:
John Yokley asked me to post this for him; he doesn't regularly monitor this list but I do.
I'll pass on any comments or questions to John or to others here when needed. Thanks.
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Hi Jane, I think John should sign up to the koha.* lists, and post as himself. As you know - its a trivial 5 minute task ;) It's confusing for some, to read quotes (from a CEO?) via someone elses postings. Especially for the future, as they are archived via nabble/google/etc as being attributed to you Jane. Cheers, Mason.
Wagner, Jane a écrit :
John Yokley asked me to post this for him; he doesn't regularly monitor this list but I do. mmm... he should if he want to understand what the "Koha community" is ! I'll pass on any comments or questions to John or to others here when needed. Thanks.
I agree with mason comment ("It's confusing for some, to read quotes (from a CEO?) via someone elses postings") Note I'm BibLibre CEO, I don't have much time, but it's important for me to be here, so I am !
Yes you did misunderstand our intensions. Happy to read We will contribute the source code we develop to the community and if the proper protocol is to do that for our customers directly then that is what we will do. Based on your note it seems that this process requires significant expertise and would be onerous to our customer. We would gladly perform this task for them
It's not "the proper protocol", it's a matter of technical efficiency and the best user interest. It's a technical evidence for OpenSource developers. -- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
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