Re: [Koha] Number of Koha Libraries in the Word
At 09:24 PM 12/13/2016 +0000, Mike D. wrote:
Hi, I vote for Hea, because is easy way to have actual data from libraies /.../ clear delclaration about data usage license and privacy /.../ Hea is best way to collect data from Koha instalation, easy and fast.
[limited to Canada] We have a lawyer on our board, who suggests that libraries cannot verify the Koha code (technically, in detail), therefore if there is a breach of privacy, Koha Community would be responsible. This to me is *NOT* a good thing -- I certainly would not want the community to be under any threat. Collecting data, in today's world, happens regularly, legally and illegally; there is a fine line between "maybe OK" and "not completely bulletproof"; consent is one thing, but just clicking "OK" for sysprefs during an install is wide open to challenges. I would really suggest that if Hea is the way the community feels it should go, that this becomes a very conscious, up-front "add-on" voluntary service with "informed consent" well defined. [/limited to Canada] Best -- Paul
Take care
Mike.
út 13. 12. 2016 v 18:52 odesÃlatel BOUIS Sonia <sonia.bouis@univ-lyon3.fr> napsal:
Hi, I maybe missed the action, but I pretty agree with Nate. I'm for the improvement of Hea, and I hope that we can have better results with it in few time. For the moment, I think we need to have user friendly interface for people who doesn't really know koha. Especially if we want to do some marketing on Koha. Old Koha version libraries are on the Marshall Breeding list but they will not be in hea while they don't update their versions and I'm not sure they will do it really soon. In France, KohaLa association have begun a google map to show french speaking users of Koha. We could surely use Marshal Breeding's map. As a librarian, I can see colleagues that can find reassuring to see on the map that there's a lot of libraries using Koha and some of them at few kilometers.
So, I'm totally to improve hea, but I think we should use the Marshall Breeding list meanwhile.
Cheers, Sonia
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 18:19:01 -0500 From: Nathan Curulla <nate@bywatersolutions.com> To: Koha <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Subject: Re: [Koha] Number of Koha Libraries in the Word Message-ID: <2748A6B7-2138-485D-8F4D-91ADDC66EA6E@bywatersolutions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hi Everyone,
I hear what you are all saying about this and agree that it would be better to roll our own, but here is the thing: Hea is not user friendly at all and the Wiki is not a good marketing tool because it is not pretty (no offense on either of these). If you really want to market Koha you need to look at these things from the eyes of a non-developer, non-tech oriented librarian. If you do that you will see that these two tools are not optimal, especially in comparison to something that larger companies that Koha competes with are going to put out.
It is good to hear that you want to clean things up and re-invent the wheel, but actually doing that in a reasonable amount of time in a competitive environment is another thing. If someone has a concrete proposal for an attractive, sortable, searchable, easy to submit to option on the website for libraries to put information in than I think that would be great and I will do everything to help that I can, but who is going to do it and when? With products like Folio coming Koha needs to be front and center in the open source library world and showing the world how many people use it is a no brainer (and should be easy) in terms of ways to do just that.
So the options are that someone volunteers to create this interface (ByWater staff can help with this if given the access and permission, but we arenât going to do it alone) with a completion target of end of Feb. 2017, or we link out to a third party site that already has the content. If we donât hear from anyone about the former we are going to go with the latter. We need to move on this kind of stuff soon or Koha will be left in the dust in the coming emergence of open source in the library world. We need to become more accessible to those who donât code, otherwise we are playing into the misconception that open source is for developers only.
Respectfully,
-Nate
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It already is Paul. It's always been and always will be an entirely voluntarily opt in process. Nothing about that is changing. Just adding some information about how the data is collected and stored. So that people can opt in with more information available. So now that's out of the way, back to the discussion of how to improve it. :) Chris On 14 December 2016 10:53:03 AM NZDT, Paul A <paul.a@navalmarinearchive.com> wrote:
At 09:24 PM 12/13/2016 +0000, Mike D. wrote:
Hi, I vote for Hea, because is easy way to have actual data from libraies /.../ clear delclaration about data usage license and privacy /.../ Hea is best way to collect data from Koha instalation, easy and fast.
[limited to Canada] We have a lawyer on our board, who suggests that libraries cannot verify the Koha code (technically, in detail), therefore if there is a breach of privacy, Koha Community would be responsible. This to me is *NOT* a good thing -- I certainly would not want the community to be under any threat.
Collecting data, in today's world, happens regularly, legally and illegally; there is a fine line between "maybe OK" and "not completely bulletproof"; consent is one thing, but just clicking "OK" for sysprefs
during an install is wide open to challenges.
I would really suggest that if Hea is the way the community feels it should go, that this becomes a very conscious, up-front "add-on" voluntary service with "informed consent" well defined. [/limited to Canada]
Best -- Paul
Take care
Mike.
út 13. 12. 2016 v 18:52 odesÃlatel BOUIS Sonia <sonia.bouis@univ-lyon3.fr> napsal:
Hi, I maybe missed the action, but I pretty agree with Nate. I'm for the improvement of Hea, and I hope that we can have better results with it in few time. For the moment, I think we need to have user friendly interface for people who doesn't really know koha. Especially if we want to do some marketing on Koha. Old Koha version libraries are on the Marshall Breeding list but they will not be in hea while they don't update their versions and I'm not sure they will do it really soon. In France, KohaLa association have begun a google map to show french speaking users of Koha. We could surely use Marshal Breeding's map. As a librarian, I can see colleagues that can find reassuring to see on the map that there's a lot of libraries using Koha and some of them at few kilometers.
So, I'm totally to improve hea, but I think we should use the Marshall Breeding list meanwhile.
Cheers, Sonia
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 18:19:01 -0500 From: Nathan Curulla <nate@bywatersolutions.com> To: Koha <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Subject: Re: [Koha] Number of Koha Libraries in the Word Message-ID: <2748A6B7-2138-485D-8F4D-91ADDC66EA6E@bywatersolutions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hi Everyone,
I hear what you are all saying about this and agree that it would be better to roll our own, but here is the thing: Hea is not user friendly at all and the Wiki is not a good marketing tool because it is not pretty (no offense on either of these). If you really want to market Koha you need to look at these things from the eyes of a non-developer, non-tech oriented librarian. If you do that you will see that these two tools are not optimal, especially in comparison to something that larger companies that Koha competes with are going to put out.
It is good to hear that you want to clean things up and re-invent the wheel, but actually doing that in a reasonable amount of time in a competitive environment is another thing. If someone has a concrete proposal for an attractive, sortable, searchable, easy to submit to option on the website for libraries to put information in than I think that would be great and I will do everything to help that I can, but who is going to do it and when? With products like Folio coming Koha needs to be front and center in the open source library world and showing the world how many people use it is a no brainer (and should be easy) in terms of ways to do just that.
So the options are that someone volunteers to create this interface (ByWater staff can help with this if given the access and permission, but we arenât going to do it alone) with a completion target of end of Feb. 2017, or we link out to a third party site that already has the content. If we donât hear from anyone about the former we are going to go with the latter. We need to move on this kind of stuff soon or Koha will be left in the dust in the coming emergence of open source in the library world. We need to become more accessible to those who donât code, otherwise we are playing into the misconception that open source is for developers only.
Respectfully,
-Nate
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Salvete! I'm all for adding a column to the wiki for coordinates. Our wiki is so olde this was probably not a widely available feature when the Users pages were constructed. Surely the addition of the column itself would be trivial. I know it's not pretty. I've tried upping its game here and there, but without pay it's a mammoth undertaking and has to wait until I'm quite bored or someone asks me something specific. Hea is valuable even if it is just getting started and it seems like reinventing the wheel. I really hate giving OCLC a permanent monopoly on useful library related data. Marshall can speak for himself on this, but can anyone state a reason as to why the two projects could not share their data? We could then regularly and intentionally harvest data from his survey and populate it in our tables as we see fit. He'd be free to come and grab ours if he thinks it would help him. While there is a lot of overlap between the two sets, I do not believe they are identical. As to whether maps are a waste of time, I have to shoot that opinion down. This has persistently been one of the most frequently asked questions I've got over the years. People want to be able to ask their neighbours questions as well as get some reassurance that many Libraries run Koha. Cheers, Brooke
Hi to all, in fact a full description of Hea is here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsageStat_RFC Attention that there is a big difference between Hea's list and Marshal's list. Hea's list is a list of installations of Koha. Marshal's list is a list of library institutions. Now Marshal's date are more useful for marketing purpose, the numbers in infocommercials about ILS are on libraries, not on installations. Bye
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