Carol, I think this would be a problem -- it would certainly result in a strange MARC record. I'm going to post this thread to the Koha list to see if anyone else has an opinion or comment. Stephen On Dec 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Carol Ku wrote:
If we choose to stick with Koha cataloging feature, would it corrupt the record if we repeat the whole tag say 650, several times to get the number of subfields we need? We do not have much technical support, so as much as we can, we would like to keep things simple by using Koha catalogue. But of course if this posts an issue about the integrity of the MARC record entered, we will sure consider getting outside technical support. Stephen Hedges <shedges@athenscounty.lib.oh.us> wrote:
Nope, it's a commercial program. http://www.tlcdelivers.com/tlc/ You won't find it on their website, it's an old product that they no longer promote.
We are working with a class at Ohio University to develop a really nice stand-alone (and open source) cataloging utility, but that won't be ready fo r another six months or so.
Stephen
On Dec 6, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Carol Ku wrote:
Do you mean bibliophile that is available for free download at sourceforge.net??Do you think that program is better than koha's cataloguing module?
Stephen Hedges wrote:No, we don't use Koha at all for cataloging -- we use a program called
Bibliofile. That creates a file of MARC records which we import daily.
Stephen
On Dec 6, 2005, at 3:33 PM, Carol Ku wrote:
But when I look at the MARC record display of books, it displays say tag 050 twice, but the second display only shows one subfield e.g. subfield a. ?lt;br>> Did you have some programmers change the display page of the MARC record??I think if we know how to do that, we will use the Koha interface.
We don't use the cataloging interface -- we prepare our records with a different utility, then import them into Koha daily.
I think the subfield repeat may be a known bug, though I haven't checked kohabugs.
Stephen Hedges
On Dec 6, 2005, at 2:15 PM, Carol Ku wrote:
> Dear Sir/Madam: > We recently installed Koha for our library automation
Stephen Hedges wrote: project.?One
> issue we encounter is how to repeat a subfield item on the add biblio > page when cataloging a book.?I noticed that your library is able to &g t; repeat a subfield e.g. subfield a in the add biblio module. > ?lt;br>> Can you share with us how to do that??Thank you. > ?lt;br>> Carol >
From answers I had given Carol on and off list:
The current Koha record editor is easy to use but can improperly rearrange the data on valid imported records and will not allow the needed features for many records such as repeated subfields. There is a bug/design error in Koha that fails to provide for subfield level repeatability within the Koha MARC record editor. Koha 3.0 will also have additional choices for MARC record editing. I hope that the innovative semantically labelled forms based editor that is in Koha now will also allow standards compliant record editing in Koha 3.0. There is presently no way to create additional repeated subfields using the Koha record editor unless you rewrite the source code for the editor. Libraries that need this functionality have used an external MARC editor to create their records. A set of lists that include MARC record editors in every section can be found linked from "MARC records, systems, and tools", http://www.loc.gov/marc/marcservice.html . There are record editors not listed there but all the important ones for MARC 21 are there on some page. The greatest problem may be finding editors that support UTF-8. The people available at the software companies often do not know themselves but you can always obtain a demonstration and test it. None of these record editors is as easy to use as the one in Koha but at least you can have standards compliant records. OCLC provides the best cataloguing service and you might be able to obtain a favourable price for their cataloguing service through a state or local library consortium. OCLC has a great many options and I do know of small libraries having obtained use of their services at shockingly low prices as part of cooperative agreements with groups of libraries. The greatest difficulty may be matching the correct service out of the many that they have to your needs. If you identify the proper matching service, it can be very inexpensive but maybe only by sharing a group or consortium service. I have never used their cataloguing systems so I cannot describe them to you. OCLC must support UTF-8. MarcEdit, http://oregonstate.edu/~reeset/marcedit/html/ , may be the best free option for MS Windows, although it is not open source. It does have a Z39.50 client. MarcEdit is liable to require more configuration and be less intuitive to use from the documentation that I have read than commercial options, but I have not used it. This should support UTF-8. BookWhere, http://www.webclarity.info/ , is the least expensive commercial tool. It is primarily a Z39.50 client but also added a record editor in recent years. The record editor may now be sold separately, I do not know. I last used the Z39.50 client over six years ago when I contributed some major bug reports. It was quite well polished, although, there were some user interface elements that I would have been fixed if it were open source. It was developed from an open source demonstration Z39.50 client but had a license that allowed the source to be closed, unlike Koha where the source of all future versions will be forever free and open. I do not know whether UTF-8 is supported. The largest existing Koha installation, the Nelsonville Public Library in Ohio, uses BookWhere. That does not mean it would be the right tool for you. They had formally used ITS MARC for Windows with Koha, which is significantly more expensive and ITS MARC for Windows does not yet support UTF-8. Whatever tool you find, keep a copy of all your records even after using bulkmarcimport.pl to import the records in batches. The Unix default path is /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl in Koha 2.2.4. Be certain to set the proper values for the environment variables PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF before running the script. Having a copy of your records outside Koha protects them against any problems in Koha and can be used to reimport them in future. Thomas D Quoting Stephen Hedges <shedges@athenscounty.lib.oh.us> :
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Carol, I think this would be a problem -- it would certainly result in a strange MARC record. I'm going to post this thread to the Koha list to see if anyone else has an opinion or comment.
Stephen
On Dec 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Carol Ku wrote:
If we choose to stick with Koha cataloging feature, would it corrupt the record if we repeat the whole tag say 650, several times to get the number of subfields we need?
Nope, it's a commercial program. http://www.tlcdelivers.com/tlc/ You won't find it on their website, it's an old product that
longer promote.
We are working with a class at Ohio University to develop a really nice stand-alone (and open source) cataloging utility, but that won't be ready fo r another six months or so.
Stephen
On Dec 6, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Carol Ku wrote:
Do you mean bibliophile that is available for free download at sourceforge.net??Do you think that program is better than koha's cataloguing module?
Stephen Hedges wrote:No, we don't use Koha at all for cataloging -- we use a program called
Bibliofile. That creates a file of MARC records which we import daily.
Stephen
On Dec 6, 2005, at 3:33 PM, Carol Ku wrote:
But when I look at the MARC record display of books, it displays say tag 050 twice, but the second display only shows one subfield e.g. subfield a. ?lt;br>> Did you have some programmers change the display page of the MARC record??I think if we know how to do that, we will use
interface.
Stephen Hedges wrote: > We don't use the cataloging interface -- we prepare our records with a > different utility, then import them into Koha daily. > > I think the subfield repeat may be a known bug,
> checked kohabugs. > > Stephen Hedges > > On Dec 6, 2005, at 2:15 PM, Carol Ku wrote: > > > Dear Sir/Madam: > > We recently installed Koha for our library automation project.?One > > issue we encounter is how to repeat a subfield item on the add > biblio > > page when cataloging a book.?I noticed that your
able
to
> &g t; repeat a subfield e.g. subfield a in the add biblio module. > > ?lt;br>> Can you share with us how to do
We do not have much technical support, so as much as we can, we would like to keep things simple by using Koha catalogue. But of course if this posts an issue about the integrity of the MARC record entered, we will sure consider getting outside technical support. Stephen Hedges <shedges@athenscounty.lib.oh.us> wrote: they no the Koha though I haven't library is that??Thank you.
> > ?lt;br>> Carol > >
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