Serial Pattern Help (again)
Hi all, Can anyone suggest some help for creating a pattern for The new republic: 0028-6583 It is: Biweekly (24 no. a year) and looks like this: Vol 245, No 10, Issue 4967 Vol 245, No 11, Issue 4968 Vol 245, No 12, Issue 4969 The issue goes on and on. Thanks Nicole
Sorry to nudge, I haven't gotten any help with the documentation yet so I'm really not sure how to do this. I will of course share the info you give me in the manual as a sample subscription if anyone who understands the new serials module could help out here. Thanks Nicole On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Can anyone suggest some help for creating a pattern for The new republic: 0028-6583
It is: Biweekly (24 no. a year) and looks like this:
Vol 245, No 10, Issue 4967 Vol 245, No 11, Issue 4968 Vol 245, No 12, Issue 4969
The issue goes on and on.
Thanks Nicole
'Numbering pattern' will help you determine how the numbers are printed for each issue Start with the numbering on the issue you have in hand, the numbering
Hi, all-- There are many things that I don't understand about serials in 3.16--maybe one of the developers could help explain? E.g. when entering or modifying a subscription, the contextual help says: that matches the date > you entered in the 'First issue publication' field Is that what goes in "Last value?" What is the purpose of "Inner counter?"
If you have chosen any 'Numbering Format' other than 'Number' in the 'Rollover at' field, enter the last issue number before the volume number changes
Where on the screens is the "Rollover at" field? To what is this referring?
If you chose the 'Number' Numbering Format you will see 'issues expected' in which you will enter the total number of issues you expect to receive.
Where on the screens is "Issues expected?" In the manual itself says at: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.16/en/newsubscription.html "The 'Inner counter' is usually only needed in the first field (the 'Volume' in the image above) to help with the rollover of the number. The 'Inner counter' is 1 less than the last field. If the 'Number' is 4 the 'Inner counter' under 'Volume' should be 3" I don't understand what "The 'Inner counter' is 1 less than the last field," means--which "last field?" "Last field" where? What is this "last field" called on the screen? I also don't understand what "If the 'Number' is 4 the 'Inner counter' under 'Volume' should be 3" is supposed to mean. Maybe a developer could help explain? Maybe a developer is working on updating the contextual help to match the screens, so that the manual could then be updated? I'm no serials newbie--I've worked extensively on ILS's going back to the old Innovacq that ran on a mainframe, but I find 3.16 serials byzantine--I can't guess what the developers are intending the values to do or how they are intended to work together. Screenshots are helpful as models from which I can hack new subs via trial and error, but I want to understand what the values are supposed to be doing & how they're supposed to work together, and the contextual help isn't matching the screen options...>_< So I'd really appreciate any clarification--maybe developer(s) could help? Thanks so much, everyone! Cheerio! heather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Hernandez Technical Services Librarian San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park Research Center heather_hernandez@nps.gov 415-561-7032 (voice) 415-556-3540 (fax) http://www.nps.gov/safr/historyculture/museum-collections.htm "The sailor does not pray for wind, he learns to sail."--Gustaf Lindborg
Hi Heather, Some months ago, Nicole asked a similar questions on the list and here are two answers I did at the time : http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/New-Serials-Documentation-td5780375.html http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2013-March/035685.html I'm sorry I dont have more time to give you for more explanations. I hope I'll find time to update the manual with examples soon! François François Charbonnier, Bibl. prof. / Chef de produits Tél. : (888) 604-2627 francois.charbonnier@inLibro.com <mailto:francois.charbonnier@inLibro.com> inLibro | pour esprit libre | www.inLibro.com <http://www.inLibro.com> Le 2014-07-15 11:12, Hernandez, Heather a écrit :
Hi, all--
There are many things that I don't understand about serials in 3.16--maybe one of the developers could help explain? E.g. when entering or modifying a subscription, the contextual help says:
'Numbering pattern' will help you determine how the numbers are printed for each issue Start with the numbering on the issue you have in hand, the numbering that matches the date > you entered in the 'First issue publication' field
Is that what goes in "Last value?" What is the purpose of "Inner counter?"
If you have chosen any 'Numbering Format' other than 'Number' in the 'Rollover at' field, enter the last issue number before the volume number changes Where on the screens is the "Rollover at" field? To what is this referring?
If you chose the 'Number' Numbering Format you will see 'issues expected' in which you will enter the total number of issues you expect to receive. Where on the screens is "Issues expected?"
In the manual itself says at: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.16/en/newsubscription.html
"The 'Inner counter' is usually only needed in the first field (the 'Volume' in the image above) to help with the rollover of the number. The 'Inner counter' is 1 less than the last field. If the 'Number' is 4 the 'Inner counter' under 'Volume' should be 3"
I don't understand what "The 'Inner counter' is 1 less than the last field," means--which "last field?" "Last field" where? What is this "last field" called on the screen? I also don't understand what "If the 'Number' is 4 the 'Inner counter' under 'Volume' should be 3" is supposed to mean.
Maybe a developer could help explain? Maybe a developer is working on updating the contextual help to match the screens, so that the manual could then be updated?
I'm no serials newbie--I've worked extensively on ILS's going back to the old Innovacq that ran on a mainframe, but I find 3.16 serials byzantine--I can't guess what the developers are intending the values to do or how they are intended to work together. Screenshots are helpful as models from which I can hack new subs via trial and error, but I want to understand what the values are supposed to be doing & how they're supposed to work together, and the contextual help isn't matching the screen options...>_< So I'd really appreciate any clarification--maybe developer(s) could help?
Thanks so much, everyone!
Cheerio! heather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Hernandez Technical Services Librarian San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park Research Center heather_hernandez@nps.gov 415-561-7032 (voice) 415-556-3540 (fax) http://www.nps.gov/safr/historyculture/museum-collections.htm
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Hi, Francois-- Thank you for the reminder about your post regarding "inner counter"--it's a very helpful example. So, am I correct that "inner counter" actually means something like "parts already received?" If anyone else can help define other terms referred to by the contextual help &/or the manual, e.g., "Last value" and/or "Rollover at" and "Issues expected," etc., that would be great. And, Sebastian: please tell your serials librarian that I'm in the exact same position! I felt that I understood Koha's serials functions in previous versions and they worked very well, but with 3.16 I'm within inches of deleting all our subscription records and just adding an item record when an issue comes in. Best, Heather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Hernandez Technical Services Librarian San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park Research Center heather_hernandez@nps.gov 415-561-7032 (voice) 415-556-3540 (fax) http://www.nps.gov/safr/historyculture/museum-collections.htm "The sailor does not pray for wind, he learns to sail."--Gustaf Lindborg
Hi Nicole, I am not pretty sure about how the pattern should look like, but I attach this image,If this is not what you expected I will try harder ;) http://s11.postimg.org/44jzzbxmr/patron.png 2014-07-11 21:54 GMT+02:00 Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com>:
Hi all,
Can anyone suggest some help for creating a pattern for The new republic: 0028-6583
It is: Biweekly (24 no. a year) and looks like this:
Vol 245, No 10, Issue 4967 Vol 245, No 11, Issue 4968 Vol 245, No 12, Issue 4969
The issue goes on and on.
Thanks Nicole _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Hugo Agud <hagud@orex.es> wrote:
Hi Nicole,
I am not pretty sure about how the pattern should look like, but I attach this image,If this is not what you expected I will try harder ;)
Thanks Hugo! I'll give this a try.
Hi Nicole / Everyone, I asked our Serials Librarian whether she would feel comfortable sharing our experience/samples with you, but the problem is exactly that: she started to understand and had a handle over the serials module in 3.12, but with 3.14 everything she used to do no longer applies. She now manually enters each new issue she receives. Others on the list seem to have the same questions and it has been difficult to find answers and to update the documentation. Could the person or team who wrote the code for the Serials module in 3.14 provide additional examples and more detailed information on how the serials module works? It seems that they would know best and may be the only ones who know, given the many questions on the list. Best, Sebastian -- Sebastian Hierl, Ph.D. Drue Heinz Librarian, Arthur & Janet C. Ross Library American Academy in Rome Via Angelo Masina 5 00153 Rome Italy T: +39 06 5846 417 F: +39 06 5810 788 On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Hugo Agud <hagud@orex.es> wrote:
Hi Nicole,
I am not pretty sure about how the pattern should look like, but I attach this image,If this is not what you expected I will try harder ;)
Thanks Hugo! I'll give this a try. _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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